Friday, November 20, 2009

He's Being Deployed To Iraq - Should She Find Out Where Things Stand Before He Leaves?

Here is an email I received and shared with in my email column AND the many emails I received from people in the military in response.

Today I received an email that is sure to touch your heart:

"Mimi:

"First of all, I want you to know that I look forward to your emails every day. They are so helpful!!!

"I know you are bombarded with emails every day asking for your advice. I am in a sticky situation. I have been with my boyfriend for 18 months. He has been in training for the last six weeks out of state before leaving for a year to Iraq after Thanksgiving. He will be home for four days during Thanksgiving.

"At the beginning of our relationship we would briefly talk about marriage (I am 39 and he is 45), but that has not really been mentioned for a while and has not been mentioned at all before he left.

"I love this man with all my heart and I want to wait for him; however, I need a reason to wait and that is knowing that we still have a future together as soon as he is done with his tour. I do not want to spend the next year waiting around for someone who may or may not want to be with me.

"When he is home for his four-day leave, I really, really want to have 'the talk' with him. So, what do I do? Wait around, move on and send him a Dear John letter if he does not talk about our future (I honestly think he feels I am happy with just being a girlfriend) or tell him how I feel. I am so confused and could really use your guidance.
"Thank you for your time.

"Sincerely, Amy (not her real name)"
Dear Amy,

I am glad you wrote. So you've been together 18 months, and I'm guessing that and he are exclusive since he is your boyfriend. I'm sure he's a wonderful man (I have immense admiration for men in the military - not to mention the fact that they are very handsome!) and you love him with all your heart. Right now he must in a high emotional state with all that is going on, and very busy. He probably has a lot on his mind. I hope you are spending Thanksgiving with him.

You have a great opportunity here and I think you should not bring up the future and see if he brings it up. Spend this time being caring and helpful and positive but *without giving too much* and without getting emotional, except at your actual goodbye moment (but still hold it together through the tears).

I think you should show serenity and confidence. That will make him more aware of your end of the situation, which he probably already is anyway.

If he asks you to "wait for him," then tell him you want to talk about it. Then let him do the talking to find out what he means. If he doesn't propose to you or give you more than what you now have in terms of a future, then be honest. Briefly tell him that you're in love with him, and that you're there for him, but that in the long run, you need to be with someone who is in love with you just as much. And leave it at that. Let him figure it out. Make no promises.

Of course he may surprise you before he leaves, but assuming that he doesn't, here's what I suggest:

You're already in love with him, so that isn't going to change any time soon. However, you have to think of your own social and romantic needs since you are not engaged to him and he's not present. I think you should spend the time while he is away doing things with friends, old and new, men and women. These will not be dates.

If you find yourself mutually attracted to someone, then spend more time with him, in a casual way, and see where it goes. You are not engaged. [If this becomes more, then you can let your boyfriend know if you are dating people.] -- THIS ADVICE I AM NOW CHANGING BASED ON HEARING FROM PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY. DO NOT CHANGE YOUR RELATIONSHIP STATUS WITH A MAN WHO IS STATIONED AWAY FROM HOME.

Most of all, don't worry about this too much. Your guy is perfectly capable of going after you, so let go and let things take their course. Don't try too hard in any way. This might be a key to why he has backed off from you somewhat already (from mentioning marriage the way he did in the beginning).

My guess is that you might end up with this man. While he is gone, he may realize how much he wants to be with you even more. Have confidence in the fact that he doesn't want to lose you. Now is the time to feel your strength there.

Keep us posted!!

Getting a commitment is an art these days. The less you want it, the easier it is.

My program "Hard To Get" discusses the Reverse Ultimatum - find out what it is and how to pull it off - in getting a man to commit. Check it out!

With love,
Mimi Tanner
Author of "Hard to Get - Your Personal Guidebook on
How to Play the Game of Love
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During the day I received some wonderful emails that I shared today in my column:

Dear Mimi,

As a "seasoned" female Army Soldier of over 20 years, this girlfriend of this Soldier needs to understand something.... right now it's NOT about HER or THEM, it's about HIM going to war and it's about HIM returning home alive and with all his body parts!

If this girlfriend loves this Soldier, she needs to be patient right now and put her needs on hold. She needs to help him through his deployment by writing him often, sending him "I care" packages, remaining faithful in his absence and actually being there for him when he returns home. A deployment of any kind (especially to a war zone) is what makes or breaks a relationship in the military.

This girlfriend needs to ask herself another question... If this Soldier were to ask her to marry him before he deploys, or better yet, if they were to actually get married before he deployed and he were to return from the war missing an arm, a leg (or maybe both), or if he were to return with half of his skull or face missing, is she willing to and going to remain his devoted wife?

War is reality, as are the repercussions of war. This girlfriend needs understand what reality is all about!

-- "Jessica"

More correspondence with Jessica below. I guarantee you will find it very thought-provoking.



One thing everyone in the military who wrote me agrees on is this:

Don't bring up the "Serious Talk" about where things stand this week - and whatever you do, do not break up with him while he is overseas. More on why - keep reading. Here is the next email:
Mimi,

Normally, I read these wonderful messages and take the advice to use in my relationship, but this post I felt I should respond to. I am a female in my 40's who deployed to Kuwait. I can give a little insight into the plight of an Iraqi-bound GI.

He will be depending on letters and packages from this woman and will fall more in love with her through the courting of the letters. I saw it many times with the GI's that I was deployed with. They all ended up going home and getting married to the lady who was writing to them. I definitely agree that she should not bring the subject up over Thanksgiving because many times the GI's are advised to not get involved before they deploy to limit family distress while being at war. They are guarded and will not commit because they fear they will leave someone hanging.

Presently, my own son is in this situation with a girl who wants to be married to him and he deploys in March. She too has the same question. I have talked to my son and he wants to release her until he gets back to enable her to make a good choice and not feel like he is holding her down while he is gone 13 months. He fears she will cheat and it will hurt him worse.

I commend him for thinking of her, but also advised him that when women are in love they are willing to wait and he could just give her a promise ring, promising to come back to her in the future. It still is her choice to wait or go.

Ultimately, Dear John letters do nothing but destroy morale of not only the man who gets one, but the comrades that deal with the heartbreak of their fellow soldier. This is the last thing the troops need in the face of danger!

"Bonnie"


The advice is unanimous (which rarely happens!) -

Amy should not worry about the future with her boyfriend now. If she really is in love with him and wants to spend her life with him, she should be his emotional support when he is away for a year.


Wow, Mimi, I just read the story of "Amy" and I can feel for her. We have just about the same kind of story except my Army SGT married me back in September on my birthday before he deployed to Iraq for a year. He has had his four-day leave and now he is in Iraq by way of Ft. Hood, Texas.

By the way, he had just left Ft. Hood that Tuesday the week of the shootings there for his four-day leave. I do hope her situation ends as well as mine has, I love my new husband very much. I wish her well.

"Mary"


All of the US soldiers here and abroad have my utmost respect. One of my daughters is considering being in the military too. She and I visited a military base briefly a couple of months ago. She didn't say much when we were walking around (naturally I found the Starbucks) but after we left, she said she wants to be part of the military and is getting more and more interested in this.

MORE EMAILS FROM READERS:

The Dangers of Ending a Relationship With a Man Who Is Deployed

Jessica wrote back to me with much more thought-provoking information:

Hi Mimi,

I am a new fan of yours and because of you I enjoy my morning coffee even more now:)! Thank you for taking the time to reply to my mail. I hope I gave you some things to think about.

There is all kinds of information online about “dealing with deployment” and how deployment can affect a relationship. There is help out there for girlfriends and wives, and you are in the position to point “Amy” in the right direction.

Amy is in for a very, very long year (perhaps longer). This Soldier isn’t talking about marriage anymore because he does not know if he will live or be whole enough to see the day; it has NOTHING to do with Amy.

This Soldier needs to go to war with his head on straight, focused on doing his mission successfully and returning home as well as can be expected. He does not need Amy giving him any ultimatums; he does not need to have his heart broken before his deployment, he does not need his heart broken while he is in the war zone, and it would be nice to think that when he returns he will not have his heart broken at that time. Death comes with war. Sadly too, death also comes after war – suicide, some as a result of selfish women. I am a criminal investigator; I see it and I read the notes, so I know.

Mimi, set Amy straight and point her in the right direction. I don’t know how really strong this relationship is, but Amy needs to understand this Soldier’s life may very well depend on her.

Again, thank you for your time and writing me.

-- "Jessica"
Another reader adds this thought-provoking email:

Mimi:

This email could not have come at a better time. My boyfriend of 18 months is getting ready to deploy to Afghanistan at the end of January, his 4th to date and 1st to Afghanistan. I'm in the exact same situation and it was good to read your advice.

I would like to offer one caution about 'Dear John' letters though - during my boyfriend's previous deployment he had a girl back home here that he had been dating for 3+ years who sent him a 'Dear John' letter the week after Valentine's Day. It absolutely crushed him and he had to go to his commander (he's an officer himself) and ask to be taken off duty for a few days because his head wasn't in the game and he was afraid he would get one of his guys or himself killed. His commander totally understood and sent him to Qatar for 4 days just to get away and clear his head.

He still hurts from what happened to him and I believe he is using this upcoming deployment to see if we will make it through. I also believe that soldiers disengage a bit as they prepare to deploy so that it won't hurt quite as much to be away for 12-14 months. He has told me on numerous occasions that it's more difficult for those who stay home than it is for those who deploy. I'm not so sure I believe that, but it does give some insight into how he's thinking.

I'm terrified, but oh so proud of him. I am just working on making these last two and a half months as stress-free and fun as possible (easier said than done!).

Thanks again for your advice.
"Jenny"
Deployment Will Make or Break the Relationship

Here is a wonderful and inspiring email from a military wife:

Mimi,

I have never felt the need to respond to an ezine before but I felt a need to respond to this edition and to talk to "Amy."

I have been married for 17 years to my soldier and he has been deployed from our family for a year at a time three times now. I bring that up to show only that I am talking from YEARS of experience.

First of all, I agree that Amy should not have this talk during his short time home before he deploys. I know she can feel a need to address this before he leaves - but the truth is - there will be ample time to address it soon.

There will be a short time of communication blackout right after he leaves while they are in transition but soon the communication will pick up again as he is settled into his new reality. They will be able to connect and talk quite regularly once that happens. That may be every day or it may be a few times a week but there will be time for Amy and her soldier to connect and figure all this out.

The separation and his intense reality will bring these discussions about naturally. He may be surprised to see how much of his rock Amy becomes during this time. He may realize that he can't live without her. He may become hyperaware of the fact that Amy is able to date other men and there is nothing he can do to prevent that and realize how much he doesn't want to lose her.

There is no need to "fish or cut bait" now. In fact, it is an unnatural time to do so. The natural need to talk about these things and to really explore the depth of their relationship will happen naturally just as a result of the deployment.

Deployment is stressful on couples. It makes or break you. My husband and I are SO much closer as a result of his deployments. He has gained new respect for me. He has fallen in love with me all over again. We have realized how much we do love each other and depend on each other. This doesn't happen to everyone - we have seen some relationships shatter against the harsh rock that a deployment is. But for most of our friends, the deployment has forced them to focus on their relationship and to really grow closer.

I would tell Amy to relax and just be here now. Be with her soldier while she can be and to just let the moments happen. Give the deployment the time to highlight the strengths or weaknesses of their relationship.

"Melissa"

I corresponded with Jessica again who echoed the "make or break" thoughts. I'd requested some online resources for women in this situation.

Good Morning Mimi,

Perhaps Amy is very caring and willing to wait, but is she strong enough to be the girlfriend and/or wife of a Military Man?

This deployment will make or break their relationship and the "making" of it depends on Amy.

So far I’ve found that the best support and information resource for military spouses and significant others of all branches around the world is:

http://www.militarysos.com/

I’m glad I could help. I hope I gave you, Amy and your other readers some things to think about. I hope Amy follows up with you in a year or so and has nothing but good news to report.

Keep up the great work, I love our coffee time together!

"Jessica"

Thanks so much to everyone who has written in on this topic. Feel free to comment; comments are monitored and will be checked frequently during the next day so they can be added.

6 comments:

  1. I didn't read through all of the comments because the original post has left me feeling stunned. Amy should wait this out? Really Mimi? I feel disappointed. If this man was going to jail for a year, should she just wait him out? Or his job sent him to some foreign country? Or whatever? This is HIS choice in life, not hers. Ugh. Reading this post has me feeling defensive and angry.

    Don't get me wrong. I feel so appreciative of the efforts of our military men who are fighting for our freedom. HOWEVER, I would feel awful if I was in Amy's shoes. She has no commitment from this man. He's making the CHOICE to be in the military and leave her for a year. If Amy feels okay waiting then great. She has every right to do that. But that isn't a choice I would make and I feel stunned that Mimi would recommend it. What?? If I've been dating someone for 18 months and no commitment is there, then it would feel better to me to keep my options open. He can take all the time he wants, but he doesn't get me all to himself while he does that.

    I understand where the comments are coming from but I don't want to feel obligated to anyone who isn't committed to me. "Boyfriend" is not a committed term. That's a man taking a woman on a test drive. No thanks.

    Just because he's in the military doesn't mean he gets a free pass on my heart for a year. Not just no, but hell no.

    Shannon

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  2. Shannon, Thanks for commenting. I hope you'll read the comments; they're fascinating.

    More thoughts:

    I think for people who want to serve their country, it's more than a choice; it's a calling, an overwhelming desire and need to do so, a part of who they are.

    If you're in love with someone, it makes a big difference in a situation like this. She isn't going to be over him in 6 months if it's real love. According to some of the comments, this is a time when their relationship will intensify if it's genuine, in a way that might last a lifetime.

    I hope that is how things work out for Amy.

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  3. Mimi,

    I appreciate your answer. I've read through more of the comments.

    I understand what you mean about the military being a calling but isn't that the same as teaching or being a stay at home mom or whatever it is in life that someone is choosing to do?

    I guess the thing that bothers me the most is the advice for Amy to hold back her feelings from him and not say anything before he leaves. That's not being authentic. That's hiding your truth from someone you love. That's not fair to Amy, who is in effect being adviced to put her life on hold for someone who has not made a commitment to her.

    The fact that Amy is doubting his commitment is a sign that things might not be what she wants them to be NOW (i.e. before his deployment). In other words, his deployment is just bringing her feelings to light and making her question HIS commitment to HER. So why would anyone expect her commitment to him to be unwavering just because he's being deployed? I still don't understand or agree with that one.

    Each person has to do what feels right to them and if Amy wants to wait, then that's absolutely what she should do. I simply don't agree with all the sentiments that she "should" ignore her feelings just because he's in the military.

    I feel hopeful others will understand where I'm coming from. I admire the men who protect our freedoms. They deserve love and honor from those of us who are back home. But that's a two way street, right? :-)

    Amy: If you're reading this, I hope I offer you an alternative view to what seems like overwhelming advice of the opposite view.

    Shannon

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  4. ok to amy and to Mimi

    Amy- i know exactly what you are going through. My boyfriend and I were talking about gettin married up until he had to deploy and right now isnt the time to think about marriage right now he just needs you to be there for him. My boyfriend has been gone for 3 months already he came home for his 4 day leave a month ago cerish the moments u have with him. Dont bring up marriage dont bring up the future. Even if he was to ask you to marry him that could still change. Now a days things like that chage all the time. Dont leave him he needs you more than anything right now. If you love him do what i do watch him off and then go aboujt your life as if he was here go to work everyday and clean your house keep busy. Always have your fone by you. Its hard im not going to lie its extremely hard there are times that i cry for no reason at all. I cry myself to sleep almost every night. Saying goodbye is hard but keep ur head up. One of the greatest things in life is risk. And love is a risk of gettin hurt. Without risk life is nothing.

    Now mimi- im so not tryin to be rude by all means but seriously? You do not sit there and tell a girlfriend of a soldier that. We are vunorable and hearing stuff like that will only make it worse. Ive had so many people put me down for my decision to stick it out. And it makes it harder. You truly cant give advise unless you understand what its like to have to sit and wait days weeks months for a letter or even a phone call from the one person you love most in life. My man is the most important thing to me even if he didnt proprose to me like i wanted him to so i had a little bit more security of when he came home. But i doesnt mean leave him or date other people y he is gone. You dont need a ring to say i love you. You dont need a ring to not see other people. Love is love no matter what ur relationship status is

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  5. Hi Anonymous who posted on March 10, 2010:

    I think you were understanding me to say that the first woman who asked this question shouldn't feel that she cannot date others when she does not have a commitment from this particular man - the exact details escape me at the moment - but if you read on, after I heard from so many women who strongly advised not messing with the emotional state and morale of a man who is deployed, I recognized that they are the experts here and that breaking up with a man who is overseas fighting for his country is a very bad move.

    Of course, it depends on each individual relationship as to what decisions get made, but these women made a very, very important point here. And as you say - if this is the person whom you love, and if you're willing to risk this time, then by all means - go all out, just as you already are doing. You have to follow your heart. And in the original question, I think one issue was - it's not a time to pin a man down on where things stand at a time like that - he has way too much on his mind and is undergoing a major life event that involves so many factors.

    What you wrote sounds beautiful to me, and anyone who gives you a hard time about your loyalty to the man you love is just plain - jealous!! How many people have that kind of love?? Consider me one who is absolutely on your side!!! I agree - LOVE is love and the details don't matter when you both really love each other.

    I have learned (the hard way as usual) how important it is to keep your life full of friends, especially when you are in pain due to the separation from the man you love. That sure would be hard!!!! And then add on to that all the worry you must have to endure.

    So don't get isolated. Talk to someone who IS supportive (even if you have to pay them like a therapist and I am completely serious here). Blessings for you. I can understand why a man in this situation would not want to ask a woman to marry him because he would be worried that it would make it harder on her if anything happened, for many reasons, including the waiting and including if her feelings changed while she was waiting. Of course, from a woman's POV, if you are truly mutually in love (and new each other for a long time), you'd rather have that comfort that you and he were married, no matter what happened; that gives you more dignity, status as a family member, and more to hold on to, no matter what.

    Keep us posted, I pray that everything goes very well and that you can find comfort every single day that you have to wait.

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  6. Thank you everyone for your comments. I'm in a similar position as "Amy". I am willing to wait but want to know that after 6 months, I would not have waited in vain. Especially after dating for over 3 years.

    I have no advice to offer whatsoever. I'm still struggling with this whole situation, but thank you to the person who noted that after a deployment there is a dark or blackout period where there is no communication. I have been concerned he's avoiding me. Also, understanding what may be going through my boyfriend's mind is helpful.

    Thank you for being a source of support/strength.

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